PODCAST: Australia’s role in a multipolar world, with Mike Pezzullo and Ross Babbage

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By: Robyn Tongol

In this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast, host Steve Kuper is joined by Mike Pezzullo, former secretary of the Department of Home Affairs, and Ross Babbage, CEO of Strategic Forum and a Non-Resident Senior Fellow of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, to discuss Australia’s role and challenges in the deteriorating global order.

In this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast, host Steve Kuper is joined by Mike Pezzullo, former secretary of the Department of Home Affairs, and Ross Babbage, CEO of Strategic Forum and a Non-Resident Senior Fellow of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, to discuss Australia’s role and challenges in the deteriorating global order.

The trio discuss a range of issues facing Australia and the broader Western alliance network at a time when authoritarian powers are on the march across the globe, including:

  • The triumph and importance of American power in securing a peace deal between Israel and Palestine that has continued to rage since 7 October 2023.
  • Predictions about Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s first official bilateral meeting with US President Donald Trump.
  • Mounting political and public concern about Australia’s lack of economic complexity and industrial capacity and its impact on national security and sovereignty.
  • Real world examples of reindustrialisation in action across the United States and other like-minded nations that can provide models for Australia to emulate.
  • Policy measures our leaders can implement to facilitate the rebuilding of Australia’s industrial base and enhance our national security.

Enjoy the podcast,
The Defence Connect team

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Episode 11: CONTESTED GROUND: Australia and the West must ask themselves new questions in the face of the modern world, with Robbin Laird
Episode 10: PODCAST: Black Hawk capability, B-21 bomber debate, and upcoming budget
Episode 9: PODCAST: Supermarine Spitfire, warbird aviation and modern aerial innovation, with Keith Russell
Episode 8: PODCAST: Bushmaster PMV funding, long-range strike expansion and cyber defence
Episode 7: PODCAST: Space Command workforce expansion and operationalising the domain, with Major General Gregory Novak AM
Episode 6: CONTESTED GROUND: The Defence budget, inflationary pressures and domestic information warfare
Episode 5: SPOTLIGHT: Maritime sustainment, mission-ready maintenance and resilient fleet capability, with Serco’s David Astbury
Episode 4: PODCAST: Anzac Day reflections, veteran support reform and ADF workforce trends, with Minister Matt Keogh
Episode 3: SPOTLIGHT: Open-source growth across defence and national security, with SUSE CMO Margaret Dawson
Episode 2: CONTESTED GROUND: Shipping, supply chains and Australia’s exposure to a volatile system, with UNSW’s Professor Douglas Guilfoyle and Associate Professor Daniel Prior